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I have a question that's been asked before (what a surprise). I was thinking, of Napoleon and Illya, supposing they found themselves realizing that (despite, perhaps, having never found a man sexually attractive before) they were very attracted to their partner. Which of them, do you think, would have most trouble expressing it? Not so much admitting it to himself (I think they'd be neck and neck with that) but admitting it to the other (if he believed the other to be straight)? I was thinking that because I have this image in my head of Napoleon as the braver of the two in that sort of circumstance. He'd just say it, damn the consequences. Whereas Illya, though equally brave in general, would be less inclined to admit it aloud -- because of the consequences.

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The idea of Solo as gay and IK as straight is interesting, although if I were to accept that as a scenario, they would never get together. (My Solo is gay but came out late in life, and my IK is gay. Solo may have a toe or two dipped in the bi pool because he was able to have sex with women and appeared to enjoy himself before he came out, but he was full of angst and suffering. )

The reason I say they would never get together (with Solo gay and IK straight) is two-fold: 1) they would respect each other's sexuality (assuming IK didn't request a new partner when he found out Solo was gay); and 2) in my experience straightness and gayness run pretty deep, and the idea of sex with a partner of the "incorrect" gender would probably strike them both as either laughable or squicky. :)

I agree with Lee that Solo would be the braver of the two, and he might even discuss the possibility with IK, but once IK explained that he was straight ("No. End of discussion," might be his explanation ), Solo would surely accept that and back away. AFter all, we've seen his attitude even on the series. Both people have to want it and agree that they are having fun. :)

Would IK want to experiment? I mean, a truly straight IK? I think not. (Remember, my opinion only.) And if Solo is gay, he would also prefer a partner who is gay. I doubt that they would experiment with each other in any way that would cause harm to their friendship.
In my AU, where IK is gay and Solo doesn't know what he is yet (early on), IK agonizes about coming out to Solo, and when he finally does, Solo doesn't self-realize in that moment (because he has no clue yet on a conscious level about his own sexuality), but he does profess his deep affection for IK. And that tender exchange allows IK to be openly gay around Solo, a huge bonus for him, a huge plus in his life, and it makes it possible for him to continue as Solo's partner and friend even though IK's love remains unrequited at that point. :)

I have to admit your story (had to go look up the title, "Sleepless Nights," though I remember the story well*g*) was in the back of my mind when I was imagining scenarios, because I remember how ... well, how much IK really did not want to go into this. He was very reluctant, IIRC, and also I remember how very sad I was for IK because (at the end of that story, at least *g*) there seemed to be no chance for his love to be requited in the way he wanted. Without trying to suggest what you yourself intended in the story, I'd say it reflected the way I would see a gay IK telling a presumed-straight Napoleon -- he would be deeply deeply reluctant, in fact probably would not do it except under duress. Whereas (in my head) a gay Napoleon would perhaps offer up the possibility to a presumed straight IK in a gentle, feel very free to say no and I'll never mention it again, kind of way.
(And again, these perceptions, for me, are very flexible. I've been persuaded in stories of other scenarios, for sure)

Okay, I'm just curious:

Again, presuming that one is straight and one is gay, why is coming out tied necessarily to a proposition and/or disappointment?

Couldn't the gay one come out with nothing more intended, the straight one shrugs and says, okay, that's fine, and then they go on as before, close friends but with separate sex lives?

I realize this isn't a satisfying slash scenario, but it doesn't necessarily have to be sad. In a way, that's what happens when they're both straight.

Again, presuming that one is straight and one is gay, why is coming out tied necessarily to a proposition and/or disappointment?

Oh, it isn't. It's just that that was my original question. It wouldn't at all have to be. :)

Sorry, that was me above, not logged in. Duh.

Again, presuming that one is straight and one is gay, why is coming out tied necessarily to a proposition and/or disappointment?

As to coming out per se that would certainly be the case. More usually in slash, however, they have sexual feelings for each other, so just coming out and agreeing to be friends with separate sex lives isn't going to quite fix the problem. How they act on said feelings has been told in slash fanfic from both Napoleon and Illya's POV; one of them eventually makes the first move, and it's farily equally divided as to which of them does so.

And if Solo is gay, he would also prefer a partner who is gay.

Why?

In your universe there are also gay/straight partnerships that work very well.

And if Solo is gay, he would also prefer a partner who is gay.

Why?

Indeed why? If Napoleon were gay he'd still prefer Illya, in whatever guise, as his partner, even if he were sorely tempted by him.

I wasn't quite clear enough with that statement. I meant that if Solo is gay, he would also prefer a -sexual- partner who is gay (not an UNCLE or working partner). :) Sorry about that.

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