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On this Independence Day ... *



I'm saying it here because I'm bursting to say it, not because it hasn't been said, nor because it needs saying by me. Damn it, if you are a fucking ignorant bigot, don't expect not to get shot down for it in a world that is now, finally, stepping out of the dark ages of ignorance and bigotry on a lot of things. There's a difference between not being interested in something and in thinking something, or some kinds of human beings, are somehow subhuman. Free speech and tolerance don't cover you just getting a pass on that offensive bullshit.







* Points for guessing the movie [edit: the movie the song I'm quoting is from, to be clear] in a group that in general is old enough or educated enough to not think a photo of the Challenger exploding is a shot of fireworks, for fuck's sake.

Date: 5 July 2014 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leethet.livejournal.com
Yes. I'm not into golf, for instance, or hunting. Nor am I religious. That doesn't mean I think those who are are somehow lesser human beings. They're just different, and that's OK.


Do you do macadamia nut cookies? That's really key.

Date: 5 July 2014 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikesgirl58.livejournal.com
Exactly, *um* each to his or her own. I would never dream of telling someone how or what to believe and thinking you have that right is egocentric. I hope she has a back up fandom because she's sort of burned her bridges here.


For you, I will make a killer mac nut cookie! Do you want some chocolate to go with the macs?

Date: 5 July 2014 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leethet.livejournal.com
MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... perfection.

Date: 5 July 2014 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikesgirl58.livejournal.com
I'll remember that in September.

Date: 6 July 2014 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] franciskerst.livejournal.com
Well, I object to hunting (except when it's really for food and there is no other way). I don't see much difference between a hunter and a serial killer because I think animals are persons, with rights (and yes, I'm a lawyer, though an odd one and no, I'm not a vegetarian for I admit the humans are predators; what I absolutely condemn is the fact of taking pleasure in killing).
Edited Date: 6 July 2014 12:23 pm (UTC)

Date: 6 July 2014 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leethet.livejournal.com
I was really being quite general. Yes, there are absolutely positions others take that are morally reprehensible. That is of course at the core of this current fandom issue. If I hear another homophobe prate about how he or she should have the right to denigrate other human beings for their orientation without being smacked down for the ignorant hateful bigot he or she is, I shall go what we used to call, when people sent letters, postal. I defend others' right to be assholes verbally - as long as they're not actually attacking others in meatspace. I don't recognize that they have any right to not be called out.

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